HJ: Sometimes, it's not about what l can gain in the future, but more on the position am l in now, am l happy? Am l satisfied? This is more important than what everyone else in the world thinks JS: this is what I think about money, we can't live without it but what can we do if we have it? This is how I feel, I just think that if can have 3 meals a day and a place to sleep in I think that is enough